VFX Artists React to Resurrected Actors Bad & Great CGi

VFX Artists React to Resurrected Actors Bad & Great CGi

Wow *visible disgust* How do you do that and be like ‘It’s chill’? A lot of other people have been doing their own spin on professionals reacting to things related to their line of work Now we’re a bunch of visual effects artists. And today we’re going to react to deceased actors One of the most challenging things you can do in visual effects is make a photo realistic human look completely normal In terms of trying to replicate a person that no longer is alive, this is the best that has ever been done So this is the one shot that most people identify as the fake Paul Walker They didn’t do any sort of computer-generated face here this is actually old footage from another movie that was composited and meshed back onto his face and re-lit Ahhh… The only thing that gives it away is if you watched his neck and the collar of his shirt, the way his body moves doesn’t correspond to how his head is moving It’s like his body shifts back, which would naturally cause your head to like rock a little bit and that doesn’t happen His eyeline, it looks like he’s looking way past the camera. He’s not making eye contact with Vin Diesel It looks like he’s just staring off into the distance like… His eyes are also like super sharp like that– this like strip right here, the clarity is really high and I don’t think it really matches the clarity of like down his chin and shirt This is the shot that everyone really recognizes as the fake Paul Walker but there are dozens of shots throughout this whole movie where Paul Walker was completely computer-generated from like the neck line up. What? They actually have Paul Walker’s brothers. They look like him just enough that they use it as inspiration for the performance and reference for the lighting Whoa because they actually replace from neckline up the brothers with Paul Walker’s computer-generated face. This entire scene Paul Walker’s face is fake. What that’s good. It’s really good. That’s really good. Yeah, I had no idea It’s such a normal situation. So it doesn’t trigger anything to be looking for the effects. That’s crazy. Well, this looks really good That’s really good the only thing that slightly puts it off is the the chin and the neck with the collar like the shadows and like you can See his brother this folds there as it goes like this. They don’t quite have those folds with Paul Walker You don’t really notice it, you know what really stands out to me? The irises in the eyes so your iris and your lens are like different levels and so when light comes in from the side of your eye it catches your iris a little bit so that means that the artists have modeled the Internals of the eye and the iris has actual depth in the eye. Eyes are the portal into the soul and people have worked for Years trying to perfect rendering eyes. This one looks a little CG. The eyes I don’t think work in that shot This is where the uncanny valley comes in It’s really hard to identify what exactly is off here But our brain after millions of years of evolving to identify faces can identify that something is off there I mean this right here is just a demonstration of how good it actually is and I can’t point out that that looks perfect That looks perfect, man. Yeah, they have the cheek muscles flex like watch in a second here. Once it splits. Whoa Yeah, they’re like it punches his job as cheek flexes Weta digital is probably the most talented Visual effects studio in the world in terms of trying to replicate a person that no longer is alive This is the best that has ever been done Oh, I have seen this. Whoa Yeah, it feels wrong dude. This is like Tekken 7 right here. Dude. He’s too gummy. He’s too like oh I can’t help but think that Bruce Lee wouldn’t be cool with somebody using his corpse to sell alcohol I don’t think they nailed the subsurface scattering That’s what I was gonna say too – his skin looks – plasticky or waxy. If we had a flashlight here I’d show you. You can see it right there. Do it on the back of my ear So you know what I’m talking about where your skin lights up kind of like red. That happens across your face, your arm. It absorbs light and scatters it. The skin itself is actually kind of self illuminating and here it definitely looks like they didn’t really nail that subsurface scattering effect, so it kind of comes across as like it’s just a reflective plastic skin. Turn your face towards me a little bit so I can see yeah, you gotta light in my eyes I know just keep it closed now on the tip of his nose What’s happening is the lights actually going in and then scattering a little bit coming back out and if there’s light coming from this side and There’s shadow on this side right on the edge where the light meets the shadow of your skin and it leads to a slightly reddish like edge between the skin where it’s bright and where it’s dark and look at the edge of his nose and his brow and his eyelid and There’s cheek. There’s none of that slightly reddish that little reddish line There’s the perfect example of that red line of subsurface scattering This is it. Like that’s what I’m talking about where it’s not about to single to see through things It’s also riding the edge of where the light disappears because you have a little bit that light that’s actually gotten into the surface That’s now catching that that shadow right there If you want it to be real especially when you do high key lighting like this You need to model that and that’s very complicated because you get into your skeleton underneath your face It’s gonna block all the light since we’ve all got they each either me It is though it is He looks like that one guy from Tekken that looked a lot better this one right here because because you’re hiding detail, you know You’re you’re you’re kind of hiding it But in the other ones is like you have you go real extreme on the lighting. It does a lot to hide your flaws Hey ma Come on Okay, wait, I’ve never watched The Sopranos. I want to see if I can identify Who’s replacing? You’ve never seen The Sopranos? Who’s CG the chair? Mammy? It’s her brothers gotta be the oldest one sitting in a chair Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I see the ambient occlusion around the neck Yeah, Graham. Enix is hovering. It’s a hover head It’s a totally different color pop her head is a big problem Just watch flickin Civil War and like Tony Stark and Bruce Banner their heads on those suits. Yeah now look, There’s no shadow between them and it’s like the the softness in sharpness Don’t match also her shoulders not casting a shadow on her neck. What happened? Dude. What? Where’s that bright light? Yeah It’s not letting up her shoulders out Let me upper arm on the side of the chair just the side of her face I told her this is what we mean when we say match the lighting of the shot You’re gonna do before actually shooting a green-screen elements. Oh, this is unmotivated lighting right, dude They said don’t move when you act just stance down don’t move your shoulders or your head How do you how do you do that and be like, it’s chill the lighting chain that thought that the Dude of the frickin light. Yeah the other side what happened just then Wow I’m sure there’s nothing that people could do It’s like they got given the footage like slap it on the face now her parts on the right side You’re so right. Dude. They Corazon ttle flipped it Mouse on the left side horizontal Why would they even flip it between those two shots and that E they had to it? Looks like they were just using was given maybe they knew she was gonna pass. So like real quick. Let’s swoop in Throw the green screen up get the pop out green screen by her hospital bed, maybe no I don’t think Imagine that’s you and you’re like, I’m feeling pretty good today and the producer comes up. So we think you’re gonna die soon So you want shoot some pickup shots before you go? I’m just gonna get all your emotional. You’ll feel good today I Think the only person you can get away doing that with is Stan Lee I have a feeling you’re right Ren like it’s it be chill to go up and saying lame be like yo Let me gather those assets before you know, we’re also making a lot of assumptions. Here. We are. It seems you one new freak You in danger of becoming a good man In the gladiator movie where an actor dies before the movie finishes production and they still have scenes to shoot with him So, this is Oliver Reed the actor. What’s his name? Is that próximo? Is that his name? So I say so they took him for that one shot and put them into this shot, basically It’s just a collage cutting it out of one shot sticking into the other and like giving a little color change video Photoshop Okay, are they gonna be there with ya? Oh They have the production design. They did it. Oh That’s that’s smart. That’s really smart. That’s that’s going like all right, we have this crazy lighting on his face Let’s design our set for this extra steam. You gotta get so it can motivate the same shadows dude, the freaking criss cross That’s what the Sopranos needed. That’s that’s flawless. The simplest way to do it is the most effective right here Grandma Tarkin, it’s not grandma grandma tark. Have you ever seen Star Wars? So Peter Cushing is the actor who died some time ago and the only reason why they were able to reproduce him digitally in this movie was because they actually had a perfect life cast of his face Wow And they just that was just pure luck on their part. And so they’re able to take a very high detailed 3d scan of that Casting of his face to recreate them. Digitally. The lighting is great. The lighting is very good They’re doing all the things I’m saying with Lighting’s like a strong side key light good contrast. They’ve got the good Subsurface scattering on his skin all the technical checklists are being checked off here But why doesn’t it look why doesn’t it look that good? Cuz I actually I think it looks really bad in my opinion I think it really stands out. Well, no, I do too. It’s like too floaty. It’s too free elation It’s the most read the lips for me The motion of the lips is the hardest thing to do cuz I don’t know. There’s so many intricate ways Your lips can move and it’s really hard to replicate that digitally Everything else looks pretty solid, but you can always tell you can tell that it’s not real. It’s like an animated and gummy lip It’s just it’s hard to say what have they not yet done to take it to that final step This is basically the best we can do while still being in the uncanny valley. It’s so good It’s so good, but you can still tell and I don’t know what to do to make it better I think the problem isn’t how good it looks when it’s still because clearly it looks perfect Yeah, how good it looks when it’s moving It’s the small things that happen in your face when big things happen like when I go ahh, you know The big thing is my jaw opens up and you see that the small things that happen are my hairs change directions My poor is stretched the plates of my skin like stretching to get micro wrinkles Really in depth physics like the soft body meet physics sounds like your face, which is very complicated That’s where I think grand moff. Tarkin is failure. It’s just very firm. He has like the skin firmness like a 25 year old Yeah, a 25 year old who hasn’t eaten anything in two weeks If someone asked me to do this, I wouldn’t know where to start. It’d be like the equivalent of like someone banging Hey, I need you to go out the desert and like put all these little pieces of sand in order. What is it? They’ve sent us How again this looks very very good, but it does not look real but it doesn’t look real when it was wide It looked really good and then like she got so close to the camera He could literacy like the makeup texture for like her eyes were like which is impressive They had that detail that’s like Roy. This is hyper sharpen high resolution. It’s the animation of the lips That’s the best thing in that shot I look pretty good to me though between the nose and above the chin this strip right here Yeah, the shot just kind of confounds me her eyes kind of look wrong The reason her eyes lack soul is because she’s not giving the performance people aren’t just their physical manifestation themselves It’s also the personality this is somebody trying to pretend they’re Carrie Fisher This isn’t Carrie Fisher regardless of how much it looks like Carrie Fisher I’m gonna show you guys something and see what you guys think. Tell me what you looks better or worse. What is it? They’ve sent us Hope that looks better the contrast is wow. That looks way better Natural performance Yeah One of the far right is what they matched her to that was when she’s confronting lord Vader at the very beginning of a new Hope look how her lip pulls out just a little bit more in the middle the intricacy in the nuance And I’m also there where these muscles are pushing up and this one’s pulling out leading to a little more of a pronounced curve that you don’t have in the Motion-captured robe one version. Yeah, that looks way better. Oh my god, that looks way better. Yeah emotion that nailed the motion So this is a question for you guys and for you guys, I’d love to hear your comments Do you believe people should own the likeness of their face? Because theoretically I can stick Tom Cruise in a corridor video right now, or at least something that looks like Tom Cruise I won’t be able to say it’s Tom Cruise The town cruise because I would be lying but I can have something that looks exactly like Tom Cruise should he get upset? Can he sue me for his likeness? Do we own our muscular structure of our faces? It’s definitely a gray line There’s a skill and a talent acting it’s more than just how you look I love reacting these videos trying to explain all these techniques exactly if you have a movie a TV Show a music video that you want us to break down leave a comment below. We had a bunch of great suggestions We’ve made a huge list so far and we are going through we’re gonna knock them out So, please leave a comment. We read them all Oh I have a video for you guys to see next it’s one that we did recently it’s really cool and involves a motion capture suit and Transforming Clint tell me about the video. Check this out challenge these guys. Can you transform from Optimus Prime into a truck? And actually drive down the freeway. Wait, what do you mean? Can you can you contort your body in a motion capture suit? Link it up to a model of Optimus Prime and look like a truck. You don’t look like a rocket Can’t be done. I guess you’ll have to watch the video to find out

100 thoughts to “VFX Artists React to Resurrected Actors Bad & Great CGi”

  1. I don’t like how the deep fakes Carrie Fisher didn’t even make contact with her lips when saying “p”.

  2. What you guys think about CGI Battle Angel Alita? At first I though they took real shots of actress and made big eyes with like some advanced liquify effect. Honestly I was surprised to learn that she was fully CGI. Obviously anime eyes help to avoid uncanny valley where our mind notices even smalles imperfections in the faces. But the rest like skin tones and texture looked so real.

  3. Yes. You should own your own likeness and if you have died your relatives or representative for your image should need to be approached and negotiate the amount to have your likeness in the movie or tv show.

  4. I’m sorry. The deep fake Carrie Fisher was shockingly worse. When the lips moved during the vocals, I wasn’t able to read her lips saying “Hope” it was more like “hoat”

  5. OWNERSHIP OF LIKENESS : Wasn't there a precedent set in BTTF2 when they used the actor's likeness ( who played Marty's father ) without his permission and he went to SAG and get the rules changed and the producers had to pay him ?

  6. I'd be interested in a CGI of people who have passed part 2! Mockingjay Plutark, the newest Star Wars the lady with purple hair, etc.

  7. There's something about the cheek bones that throws me off on top of the motion of the lips, etc. It might be because I know where the muscles originate from and where they insert, which means I'm aware of where there should be lengthening and shortening of muscles, but not seeing it?

  8. Hey guys. You do a great job here, but honestly this is one area in which I prefer to be ignorant. Otherwise, I won't make it through a movie these days without picking it apart. Cheers gang.

  9. I hadn’t seen the original Star Wars set for a while when I saw the Tarkin scene and I managed not to notice it. I don’t know how seeing this 😂

  10. Takrins proportions look a little weird and his head is too shiny compared to the characters and there lighting

    And Carrie aged too much so when they de aged her that got the proportions wrong

  11. I'm usually terrible at spotting stuff like this, cause in context of the film, it doesn't really bug me too much. That being said, I have to say that the deep fake looked worse to me causd the words felt like they weren't being actually said. I think if Leia had been less bright around the eyes in rogue 1 it would have made all the difference.

  12. Didn't Crispin Glover like sue or try to sue the producers or whatever of Back to The Future II or III for using his likeness after he quit?

  13. on the facial likeness question—- yes you should own it if someone else is making money off of your face without your consent.

  14. What I say is that the defining factor that makes it not look real for me is that the animation for the person is too perfect, too streamline, too predestined. That is what I think will hold something back from looking exactly real.

  15. You should react to the music video of "the writings on the wall" by Ok go. I dont believe there's much digital vfx in it but definitely some rly cool camera techniques and illusions and stuff

  16. I must be some kind of dumbass because I can't see a single difference between the Rogue One Carrie Fisher and the deepfake Carrie Fisher. The Rogue One version also looked great and realistic

  17. What bothered me most about Tarkin was his voice. They used the actor who did the mocap, instead of the sound-alike who does the animated Star Wars stuff, which was a big mistake in my opinion. Peter Cushing had a very distinct voice, and not hearing that was more distracting to me than the CGI head.

  18. 0:07 Intro

    0:26 Paul Walker – Furious 7

    3:12 Bruce Lee – Johnnie Walker

    5:11 Nancy Marchand – The Sopranos

    7:35 Oliver Reed – Gladiator

    8:29 Peter Crushing – Rogue One

    10:38 Carrie Fisher – Rogue One

  19. With Tarkin, he looks too wet to me oddly? And especially compared to Mendo, who has super dry skin in most of his performances. And while the lips look significantly better on the Leia deepfake, I'd say the eyes are actually even worse than the CG performance, so I kind of wonder what can be done about that. To me, eyes are what really give the big uncanny valley feelings – which is why I was so surprised when the only odd feeling I had with alita was the scale of her facial features on comparison to one another, which was a specific design choice.

  20. But Carrie Fischer was alive when they filmed that??? I remember watching the movie in theaters only a few days after she died? Unless I’m not remembering correctly…

  21. Its funny the Tarkin one never bothered me as much as the Leia one that one just looks really fake to me but not sure why the Tarkin one I could buy

  22. When Enchanted came out, there was talk about making Giselle a Disney Princess, but they would have had to purchase/license Amy Adams's likeness, which would have been waaay too expensive.

  23. The only thing a person ever truly owns is their own body.

    So I'd have to say yes, we should have the rights to our own likeness. Lookalikes, parodies, those are fine. But making a realistic rendering of an actor doesn't seem right.

  24. Holy shit their observation and opinion about CGI Paul Walker is banal. They are flapping their gums like a bunch of pussies just so they could say something about it which makes them appear pretentious and whiny . His CHIN, HIS PUPILS… motherf*ck*r are you listening to yourselves!?

  25. When you hire an actor you are paying to use their likeness and their image as laid out in the contract. The 1% of Hollywood is built on image and how it sells. I'd say he'd be pissed.

  26. I believe (some?) actors/actresses have licenses to their face. Robert Downey jr actually said he owned his own 3D rendering of his face. (I presume not all actors/aactress do by this) but it's a smart move by him since marble uses his face on comics and a lot of action figure amd toy companies use his face on their iron man toys

  27. So.. when the tech for creating a digital representation of an actor become realistic enough to be indistinguishable between the CG and the real actor.. will the actor even need to be on set to film anymore or can he just license his persona to the studio so they can just CG him into the film?

  28. Love your videos Corridor Crew! Robin Wright did a film a few years ago about actors selling the rights to their likeness- it was called The Congress, check it out.

  29. There is legal precedent for the likeness case. Betty Midler vs. Ford Motor Company. Basically, they asked Midler to perform a song in a commercial. She said "no". They bought the rights to use the song in the commercial, then hired an impersonator to do it, in a way that would lead people to think it was her.

    Midler eventually won (after an appeal). The sort of guide now is whether an average person be able to understand it is not the actual person.

  30. Tarkin fooled me when I saw the movie in the theater, it did help that I wasn't looking cause i didn't think about the actor being dead. So I was fooled originally, but looking back I can tell

  31. I don’t believe we should “own” our likeness, but no one should be allowed to profiteer of your likeness without consent or at the very least you should be allowed to have them remove it if you don’t like it.

  32. Fun fact: the word you’re looking for during the explanation around 4:35 is “Penumbra,” where the shadow meets the light.

  33. PERRRRRRRRRRRSonally I think ALL of CG entities are being over animated. We're pretty lazy creatures, even when emoting to one another we're nothing like our primate ancestors; there are different emotional cues, different behavioural responses. Today, I think that like the Leia deep fake looks better because it's UNDER animated, it looks more normal. I think we're over-animating our adjustments WAY too much with far too much squash and stretch. We're over doing it. Trying to make it more alive by having more moving, but we don't do that. We are subtle, and every primate picks up on that, even our closest relatives.

  34. How about young Tony Stark in civil war, younger Kurt Russell in Volume 2, and young Michael Douglas in ant-man 2.

  35. Who would win: a giant team of VFX artists working for months with the budget of a gigantic disney blockbuster,

    Or one porny boi.

  36. We should absolutely own our likeness, especially as deepfake tech and facial capture evolves. What we look like is a huge part of our identity, if we protect things like our social security numbers etc for our digital presence, we should also safeguard our likeness. I'm also an actor and I'd be pissed if some producer decided to use my face to sell stuff (ie. Bruce Lee in that God awful commercial, or more recently Audrey Hepburn in a chocolate ad)

  37. I agree. The likeness should be owned. It's like donating your body to science. Should that mean science should just take your body just because you've died?

    Not really. I think in acting, their likeness should ve protected. Maybe not sold, maybe for non for profit projects but making a buck off your death is questionable at best unless requested by family members

  38. I think what makes Tarkin and Leia so uncanny is that they are too perfect. There needs to be imperfections the slightest change in facial features are what make us look real. When someone is upset, facial expressions change it could be a curl of a lip, or change in the eyebrow. An actor has to convey emotion with every frame, look like they are real human beings. You can't get the same effect with CGI because we know it's too good to be true.

  39. I agree with owning your likeness. Like you said about Bruce Lee endorsing the selling of alcolol, no bueno man

  40. In order to prevent unlawful and slanderous deepfakes, people NEED to be the owners of their own likeness. If not malicious intent could one day lead to the destruction of your character publicly.

  41. Who Framed Rodger Rabbit would be a great film for you guys to talk about how it was done or comparing it to modern films

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