The best GPU for 4k gaming? (September 2019) | Ask a PC expert

The best GPU for 4k gaming? (September 2019) | Ask a PC expert

hey PC world fans Adam here with GPU
expert Brad charkas yeah and we have a weekly podcast called the full nerd that
you can tune into by subscribing here on youtube or wherever you can get your
podcasts but during the show we filled a lot of questions and one of them that we
get a lot is what’s the best GPU if you’re gaming at 4k that’s actually a
great question because 4k monitors and 4k gaming in general has really come
down in price and recent years 4k gaming used to just cost an arm and a leg you’d
have to get the highest heed graphics card to even think to start to be able
to play at 4k resolution and even then you’d have to make visual compromises
that’s no longer the case you can find 4k monitors going first cheapest two or
three hundred bucks sometimes which is great if you’re looking to get a more
affordable graphics card back and kind of power those you might need to dial
some things down to high maybe some of the more strenuous settings down the
medium but you can get it working pretty good you’d want to look at some of the
higher-end options that are also good for or 1440p
so Oh Radeon rx 5700 XT which is $400 from AMD there’s also the $500
GeForce r-tx 2070 super the XT is almost as fast as the RT X 2070 super but the
2070 super has a ray tracing so if that’s a concern to you it’s worth
considering like I said you’re gonna have to sacrifice some of the visual
quality but if you think the ticket settings you know you can get a lot of
games running at 4k 60 with high dose details but if you really want to take
as much advantage of a 4k 60 monitor as possible if you want to have everything
running on Ultra or close to it there’s always gonna be some games you have to
turn down a little bit extra the only real option because AMD doesn’t play up
in this pace the XT is most powerful card would be the NVIDIA GeForce r-tx
2080 Super which costs $700 okay that’s still a pretty penny mm-hmm it’s
only about 12% faster than 2070 Super but that extra 12% makes a big
difference when it comes to being able to you know move a graphic
setting from high to ultra or it get you from 50 frames per second to 60 frames
per second it doesn’t sound like much it’s costing you an extra three hundred
dollars two hundred fifty dollars but it gets you much better for k6d gaming
experience okay well what about some of these newer 4k monitors that are
enabling high refresh rate and HDR and gsync and all that sort of fun stuff
yeah those are pretty cool we start seeing those come now over the past year
so I actually have a distinct HDR monitor at home it’s joke a hundred
forty-four Hertz HDR you know 10-bit color they’re
gorgeous and you can still use something like the
twenty eighty super with that um that being said you would still only get
about 60 frames per second depending on the game so if you really want to take
the most advantage of it and you’ve already invested a thousand plus maybe
two thousand dollars on a really nice high-end monitor like that
the real option that you want to go get is the $1,200
RTX 20 80 TI from Nvidia okay 1200 bucks is a lot to spend on the graphics card
it’ll burn a hole in your wallet it’ll also melt your face it’s by far
the fastest thing I’ve ever come close to testing it’ll get you well over 60
frames per second and the vast majority of games uh even with ultra graphics
settings which is sudden that was unbelievable just a couple of years ago
yeah you won’t max out the monitor in most
games if you’re playing modern games if you have all the visuals cranked even
with the 2080 TI you probably won’t hit 144 Hertz but you’ll get the most that
you can out of it well is an option to maybe stack those cards up and add a
dual GPU set up to in order to achieve those high frame rates it is an option
but you do not want to do it so uh that used to be my go-to advise in recent
years though the industry has really moved away from multi GPU support you
need the driver to work to be able to get that running even if you have a
driver that says hey you know we support sli we support crossfire and everyone be
crossfire at this level the game needs to support it and more and more games
just aren’t even bothering these days that’s a bummer even AMD and NVIDIA are
dialing it back Nvidia will only support cross SL
so multi-gpu setups in two card configurations they used to go up to
four and AMD officially killed crossfire so the new Radeon 5700 XT I mention the
beginning you can’t crossfire that whatsoever so you got to kind of get the
best single card Liam can for your money at this point yep that’s the go-to
advice that’s the golden advice for the last five or six years or so and it’s
it’s gonna continue to remain that way well is it an option to maybe maybe find
a really good deal on last generations high-end card the 1080 TI that card
would be pretty good for 4k 60 gaming it would be akin to like the 2070 super a
little bit faster than the 2070 super okay so you would be able to play at 4k
60 with some graphics you know you got that one back um the thing is I’m not
against use PC parts it depends on the type of part that it is though if you’re
buying something like I used a processor there’s not much risk cuz it’s just a
piece of metal that sits there um graphics cards have a lot of moving
parts and they are super easy to overclock the snot out of so I think
there’s a lot of inherent risk in buying used in graphics card ins a lot of
people swear by it before I dropped several hundred dollars on some I want
to be there is little risk as possible and I think it’s just real risky to buy
use graphics card especially something like that if you can find one for 250
$300 something like cheap like that good – yeah share with me but even still I
I would rather buy something like the $400 Radeon rx 4700 XT and even get a
little bit less gaming performance out of it then I would have spend to spend
$400 on use two gtx 980ti well and and also if you’re gonna spend
this amount of money you know and you’re gaming at 4k you probably want to get
ray tracing the r-tx course right I mean the it plays the best in these higher
card configurations so it depends what you’re talking about because if you’re
looking at 4k 60 and your options you’re starting options could be the Radeon
5700 XT and that’s only 400 bucks it comes real close to the 2070 super
not quite as fast but real close for $100 less the 2070 super obviously gives
you rate raising capabilities and all of these high-end cards give you a
chastened capabilities so there are from Nvidia and that’s and videos pushing
that real money in general if you really believe in rate racing and you think
it’s gonna take off you want to get as much performance and rate racing as
possible the more expensive the card you buy the faster it’ll go in everything
including race race they have more dedicated hardware for racing that makes
sense all right well the last question I got
asked just because I got to ask is it should anyone ever buy the RT X Titan
that’s available no never not no not nobody not never no gamer gamer not a
gamer yeah ok we should if you’re doing data center stuff and you want to spend
$3,000 on something that has more memory but very little extra gaming performance
compared to the 2080 ti then it might make sense for that but gamers should
not never oh hey it looks nice though right pretty well thank you for
answering this question and like I said you can ask questions all day long on
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ever you listen to podcasts and we’ll try to answer as much as we can so
before I go I do want to mention that you have an awesome article on PC
worldcom that you’re continually updating correct yes several times a
month best guides the best graphics cards for gaming specifically awesome
all I’ll link to it in the comments down below and thank you Brad for taking the
time to answer this question yeah negotiate it and thank you for being
there we’ll see you later

82 thoughts to “The best GPU for 4k gaming? (September 2019) | Ask a PC expert”

  1. yep I got a 4k 32 inch lg screen from costco for $350 now I just need to get me a rtx 2080 super and I should be gtg. 🙂

  2. Hay Brad quick question, with the advent popularity of the 4k 60htz OLED screens in many laptops, What would be the best options for 4k gaming with reasonable settings aka because of the PPI turning off AA, can the 2070 maxQ handle it, most benchmarks I have seen crank AA for no reason on a panel that really doesn't need it.

    Also with the Ramifications of the CXL alliance do you think when we get PCIe 5.0 Multi GPU configs will flourish due to all the downsides being eliminated.

  3. RT on 4K on 2070SUPER?! LOL – good luck with that!

    even the 2080SUPER isn't good enough for real 4K gaming ([email protected] minimum)!

    you NEED 2080TI for real 4K gaming…

    see how many games wont reach 60FPS on 2070SUPER in 4k:

  4. $200 what? good luck! what are you smoking? i would be happy with 1440 @ 100 hz at 2k & 27" for $200! i paid $320 cad for a lg 29" 2550 x 1080 @ 75 hz with free sync this year! that was the best i could get! from newegg!

  5. Titan rtx. 2080ti. Titan v. 2080s. Titan xp. 1080ti.
    Sli is worth it, it works on many games, and if you have the money get the best cards you can get in sli.

  6. What kind of question is this? The answer is simple and always the same: The most expensive current consumer card by Nvidia. The End.

  7. Radeon VII does 4K high to ultra very well and still available bought directly from AMD. Admittedly it is more of a budget/entry level card to reasons you'd buy an RTX Titan and NOT a real gaming card and should not be bought for purely gaming. However, since google are claiming Stadia will get you 4K60+HDR on what is equivalent to a Vega 56/Vega Frontier Edition GPU, it will be interesting to see if there are optimizations to Vega that developers will have to make to get their games running properly on Stadia to meet google's targets and if those will translate to the desktop. The Vega architecture was ahead of it's time given what game devs where used to API wise and never really got properly utilized at the software level.

    As for mGPU, I personally think there is confusion between the new mGPU standard that is embedded in the API (i.e. DX12 and Vulkan) vs mGPU as under SLI and Crossfire under DX11. That AMD have said their ending crossfire is probably indicative of the fact that DX12 and Vulkan are the future. MS will terminate support for Windows 7 in January 2020 meaning the only supported consumer microsoft OS will be Windows 10. Xbox is using DX12, PS4 and PS5 are using a variant of Vulkan, Linux the OS behind Stadia uses Vulkan and Mac OS has its own variant of Vulkan. DX11 is all but EOL and therefore, by extension, so too is DX11 style mGPU regardless of what pc gamers and hardware/games reviewers feel they need to benchmark with.

    Now, under both the DX12 and Vulkan APIs, mGPU does not require identical cards. Therefore, you don't need crossfire or SLI. Under both modern APIs a mGPU configuration can use any combination of GPUs (2080ti + 1080ti, 2080ti + Radeon VII, 2080ti + 2080ti, etc) available and can use the cards independently of each other. So if done properly you get both performance and memory scaling (though not yet memory sharing). The only issue with this new mGPU, is that it now falls almost entirely on the devs to do the coding and not AMD or Nvidia or any other GPU manufacturer. So the new approach to mGPU will understandably take some time for devs implement in their games and considering many have not even moved over to DX12 or Vulkan after so many years of Windows 10 being out, it may take drastic actions by companies like microsoft to force the issue and move game development forward (terminating support for Windows 7 is a good start).

    PC gamers, by focusing only on frame rates rather than also looking at the architecture and APIs, don't realize just how much they are being cheated by game studios and publishers that have refused to do proper implementations of DX12 and Vulkan. No game that went into development in the last 2years should have DX11 as its primary API and those that were being worked on before then should be shipped with DX12 or Vulkan ports. Again, google Stadia may be what forces the hands of developers to learn and better use the new APIs since Stadia supports mGPU the Vulkan way.

  8. NVidia will not sell a card that would beat the 2080ti until AMD beats it. The high end of GPU s will be stuck here for a while

  9. how much do you think a 4k gaming system would cost? i was thinking a cheapish 4k tv, so like 500-750$ then the pc could cost around 2000 total? so under 3000 for full 4k setup?

  10. PCWorld : again the not so secretly bribed TomsHardware selfproclaimed journalist is lying about Nvidia GPU prices that are NEVER ACHIEVABLE on the real market because they don't include VAT, retailers markups and shipping costs.

    the cheapest AIB RTX 2070 Super is the Gigabyte Windforce OC = 581,32 EUROS = 638,32 US dollars
    the cheapest AIB RTX 2080 Super is the MSI Ventus OC = 770,36 EUROS = 845,61 US dollars

  11. I hate these terms so much. You can play 90% of PC games at 4K with a GTX 1650 if you wanted to. It depends on what settings, framerates and, crucially, what games you play! Well-optimised games, non-Ultra settings, older games never get mentioned. Only games that run like ass on any card

  12. "…A lot of moving parts in a GPU…" Lol. So dumb. There is only ONE MOVING PART IN A GPU. The fans.

    You want to know an object that has an actual lot of moving parts? An upscale windable watch. And the resale value on many of them is more than the original asking price. And they are as reliable as a stone ax.

  13. Sad that future games will not support SLI, even though some of the gaming engines still support it, so I have to hack the nVidia profile.
    However I still believe if your playing at 4K, your gonna need SLI!!
    So I have two RTX 2080 ti's in SLI and a 32 inch 4K 144Hz display so I can play…..
    Crysis2/3, Battlefield 1/4/5/Hard Line, Mass Effect: Andromeda, Star Wars: Battlefront 2, Call of Duty WW2, Arma 3, Ghost Recon: Wildlands, Metal Gear Solid V, Metro 2033/Exodus, Apex Legends….
    All in GLORIOUS 4K with everything turned RIGHT-UP, I would not consider playing these games at lower than 4K
    I also have two 1080p 24 inch displays with one at 144Hz so my nephews and nieces can play the games that have crappy graphics like:-
    CS:GO, Overwatch, Fortnite, Dota 2, Rocket league etc etc etc.
    I personally rarely play those games, mainly coz I'm crap and maybe coz I like GREAT OLD games.

  14. You can also get 4k TV for 300+$ and use it for a monitor. It is probably inferior to 4k monitors but it is a LOT cheaper. I upgraded to 2070 super to do GPGPU programming and because my old expensive 2560×1600 monitor didn't work with it I bought a cheap 4k TV as a temporary monitor. It works fine after I got a better quality cable than first one sales person recommended, high speed cables make text unreadable with subsampling(a form lossy compression) at 4k60hz. And I agree that older titles look really great with 4k monitor. The amount of detail shown is amazing, on titles where my CPU bottleneck doesn't tank the performance completely.

  15. Some of the secrets to purchasing a used video card is ask about what case the card was in, to check for proper air flow. Ask the name of the power supply and watts to verify clean power to the graphics card and other components. Next I suggest the top cards from a company such as a MSI Lightning, MSI Gaming X Trio, ASUS ROG Strix, and possibly an EVGA FTW3, as those cards will keep components cool. Proper cooling and regular proper cleaning with compressed air from canned air are vital for long life. If all of the above are in the purchase decision the chances are very high a used video card will be in good condition.

    I understand that 99.99% of PC users will not have a clue as to what to ask for, however, you are educating thousands of people. Thank you for another great video.

  16. My 1070ti has been a great gpu for everything I throw at it. I know its not the absolute best, but just about everything not only runs but runs very well on ultra, and if i NEED extra fps at 4k, I can just knock things down from ultra to high or medium (or bump resolution to 1440p) and be good to go.

  17. This is a stupid question, 1080 at 144 thats the sweet spot 4K is only good for work and maybe movies useless for game. Game just cant reach 4k its impossible for the next 100 years plus.

  18. 2080 Ti without a doubt, but when it comes to NVLink with most if not all DLSS DX12 games with Two RTX 2070 Supers. Shown plenty of benchmarks showing that the NVLink 2070supers surpassing the 2080 TI. Both facing some
    Cpu bottlenecking with last year’s best and not so much this year.

  19. Had an RTX 2080 since it's release and basically every game I can play at 4K Ultra 60 as long as AA is set to Medium or low, which at 4K is fine anyway. If 60fps is your monitors refresh rate which at 4K most are, then a 2080 is the minimum for Ultra 60.

  20. the ONLY answer is the rtx 2080ti unless you want to start turning settings down which honestly for me defeats the object of cranking it up to 4k in the first place if you're happy to turn settings down just play at 1440P and be done with it.

  21. nope … MSI RTX 2080 TRIO non super is the best buy for 4K 60 FPS … 😉 PC WORLD… …. RTX 2080 Super make no sense… 150/200 dollar more for what ?? XD 2/4 fps more ? no thanks …

  22. Ok so no beating around the bush…..I have had many gpu's as of late from a 1080ti to a 2080ti and a few lower end in between and the ONLY CARD THAT WILL DO 4K MAXED OUT ABOVE 60fps iiiiiiiiiisssssssssss………….that's right the 2080ti …….. everything else is gonna be subpar

  23. GPUs have a lot of moving parts? Aside from the 2 or 3 fans, what else is moving? furthermore, it is unlikely you will get 60 fps with ray tracing enabled on even a 2080 Ti @4k.

  24. It’s 2080ti or titan rtx but even at 3440×1440 my ti struggles with some games maxed, I started off with a 1070ti for 1440p then the 1070ti wasn’t cutting it so I upgraded to a 2080 and it was perfect for 1440p. Then I picked up a 3440×1440 120hz gsync display and the 2080 was lacking in some games. But you can always turn down setting and get more mileage out of a card. My main 2 rigs now are a 8700k delided 5.1ghz and a strix 2080ti and a 3900x and Radeon vii. And a 2700x and 2080, 5820k and 5700xt and 2 or 3 other builds that I don’t use as much as my main 2. I just love to tinker and benchmark stuff. I still feel nothing is gonna live up to the 1080ti it was legendary for its price while the 2080ti is a beast it just cost way too much I payed $1500 for mine which is stupid. Not sure why I got a vii guess I just wanted to build the ultimate amd build. Yes the xt is close to the vii and faster in some games the vii is faster overall and responds to overclocking better. I almost bought a 9900k but thought the 3900x was the better deal even though it’s still slower in gaming. My 3900x rig is hooked up to an lg 32in 144hz va freesync panel and its a great display for $300 because freesync and gsync both work with it. Still debating on putting the 2080ti with the 3900x or leave it with the 8700k but it probably doesn’t matter at 3440×1440 your gonna be gpu bound.

  25. The only option is a 2080 super? 🤣. I disagree with almost everything these dudes say. That guy with the beard is so misinformed it’s not even funny.

    Don’t even think about 4K unless you have a 2080ti.

  26. with My 4k 144hz acer HDR screen, I get between 100 & 130 FPS on my 1080ti PLAYING OLDER GAMES that support 4k. But I keep my LCD set to 120hz because it runs at 10bit color equivalent with the displayport 1.4 restrictions. My FPS is only 120 on average anyway I cant tell the difference between 120hz to 144hz but i can tell different from 98hz to 120hz so yeah thats how i look at it. Im all about the older games running 4k right now & when cards go down in price ill try out metro exdos on my new 3080ti or what ever its called.

  27. Funny i game everything at 4k ultra almost every game Gigabyte RTX 2070 AMD Zen 3600 4.2ghz 24gb ram 3200ghz gtx 1060 for phys x and an external 4 core audio card no audio stress on cpu , no phys x stress on main gpu or cpu every base covered and i always put RTX on , frame rates are always high and everything runs silk smooth ive run every ray tracing game at 4 k ultra graphics some setting i don't care for bloom , motion blur , drop shadows to high.

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